Initial Technology – BW Tokens Persists Again
Posted by Luis Scott-Vargas
May 3, 2009 | 
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BW Tokens update (now with 100% more Persist!)
After I wrote my last article (found here), I didn't really have plans to stop playing Faeries. It was doing quite well for me, and I enjoyed playing it. A few days and a lot of matches against GB Elves later, and my perspective had changed. It wasn't just that I was having trouble with elves; I also had an interesting new lead on another deck.
My friend Erik messaged me on MODO, and after some catching up, the talk turned to Standard. Apparently one of the guys he playtested with, Naoto Aranami, used an interesting build of BW Tokens to win Louisiana States. We talked for a few days about the deck, creating quite an email chain as we did. The email chain started with this email:
Luis,
Hey, I’ve been working on tuning BW Tokens a bunch over the past couple weeks, studying top 8 decklists, trying a little Japanese tech, trying out different sideboard plans, etc. I really like some of the stuff I’m messing around with. Particularly, I like the persist/[card Wrath of God]Wrath[/card]/[card Ajani Goldmane]Ajani[/card] sideboard plan vs other tokens and elves decks. I run maindeck Murderous Redcaps. The deck has been able to top 8 consistently in daily events, and wins most matches in 8-man constructed pods. However, the matchups get more difficult the more control cards they employ – particularly the 5cc variations.
BW Persist Tokens
Erik
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The criteria I felt a prospective BW list had to meet was the following, which I expressed to Erik in my reply to his email:
This is what I feel a BW deck has to do to be a good choice for champs (the MODO monthly championship)
1) Beat Elves, which I would assume BW does. Midrange creature decks get stomped by BW, and I don't see why Elves would be different. Profane Command isn't even a ridiculous trump, although Cloudthresher (which they all MD I think) is pretty good. Matchup should be favorable for BW.
2) Have a chance against Faeries – this rules out something like Lark, although BW has always had a fine Fae matchup. It is heavily die roll dependent (although what isn't). I think saying the matchup is close to even seems accurate enough.
3) Beat other token decks – RW was always good for BW, and I dont anticipate this changing much. Kithkin is closer, but I dont expect much Kithkin in the champs event. The mirror is the mirror, and we never found anything that really broke it.
4) Have a chance against 5-cc. 5-cc is a tough matchup for BW, although i havent tried your persist plan. I dont know what the best combination of SB cards is, since I havent been that satisfied with Head Games. Maybe Puppeteer Clique is the way to go; I don’t like Scepter of Fugue very much.
I dont think I care about my Sanity Grinding matchup all that much, even though it seems hard to beat it wont be a huge part of the metagame.
Luis
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After a lot of discussion and many tournaments, we ended up with the following list:
So before I go any further, let's take a look at how this deck differs from the standard BW list and what it all means.
The full eight persist guys (Kitchen Finks and Murderous Redcap)
Initially we had 3 [card Murderous Redcap]Redcaps[/card], but they proved their worth often enough that the fourth came in. Having these eight creatures (plus Puppeteer Cliques after board) really changes how the deck operates. Five-Color Control was one of our worst matchups (and all that stopped me from winning PT Kyoto…bah), since they could just overload on Volcanic Fallouts and [card Wrath of God]Wraths[/card] until Cruel Ultimatum or Broodmate Dragon hit. Now you can shrug off mass removal and just keep hitting with persist guys, since Ajani Goldmane conveniently enough will keep knocking off the –1/-1 counters.
No Knight of Meadowgrain and only two Cloudgoat Ranger
The [card Knight of Meadowgrain]Knights[/card] I was glad to drop, as they are of limited utility past the first few turns. The Cloudgoats I was a little more skeptical of getting rid of, but with the Redcaps (and the sideboard plan, which I’ll get to later) you don’t want to overload on expensive cards. This is where I feel you gain the most ground in the mirror, since they have these useless Knights and you have awesome Redcaps. Guess which one works better with Wrath of God?
I know I said they were terrible in Kyoto, and my view of Thoughtseize hasn’t changed that much. I still wouldn’t play them in normal BW, and they are nowhere to be found in my Faeries maindeck. In this deck they actually fit, because you are less on the beatdown plan than normal BW. There aren’t many cards you care about, and Thoughtseize does a good job of keeping the ones you do care about off your back. You are also a little slower, since you don’t have Knights anymore, and Thoughtseize provides a relevant early play.
Those are the big maindeck changes, but the sideboard is vastly better than before as well.
While we did have Wrath of God in Kyoto, it always felt a little clunky in the deck. With no real ways to abuse it, Wrath was more a desperation measure than a real plan. Now we board in four Wraths and some Puppeteer Cliques, and end up with a deck built around Wrath instead of an aggro deck with an emergency reset button.
When you side in Wraths, you cut Scullers and Thoughtseizes, which does a great job transforming your deck. Particularly in the mirror, which we couldn’t get an edge on before, this plan is amazing. You have no useless two drops and a bunch of Wraths and devastating five-drops. Kitchen Finks and Redcaps do a good job of playing defense, and even survive the inevitable Wrath of God.
The one random Mutavault looks a little odd, but once you board in all the 5′s you want another land. Hitting your first five land drops is pretty important.
The sideboard doesn’t look all that different overall, but it just integrates so much better with the maindeck. Before, it always felt like you didn’t have a clear plan in most matchups. Now you do.
Sideboarding:
vs Faeries
+2 Path to Exile +1 Cloudgoat Ranger +1 Mutavault
-2 Murderous Redcap -1 [card Ajani Goldmane]Ajani[/card] -1 Glorious Anthem
You don’t want to mess with the deck too much, as you are well set up in this matchup already. The Anthem effects are a little awkward sometimes, as sometimes you have trouble resolving a threat (to go with them). Paths work well at killing their defenses (Sower, Mistbind, Scion), and you might as well add a Cloudgoat and the Mutavault. Mutavault in particular helps activate Windbrisk Heights without having to resolve three guys.
vs Doran / Elves / Green type decks
+4 Wrath of God +2 Path to Exile +2 [card Elspeth, Knight-Errant]Elspeth[/card] +1 [card Cloudgoat Ranger]Cloudgoat[/card] +1 Mutavault
-3 Thoughtseize -4 [card Tidehollow Sculler]Sculler[/card] -3 [card Glorious Anthem]Anthem[/card]
These matchups are solidly favorable pre-board, and a total blowout post-board. It is so difficult for them to bash through your army of persist dudes, Spectral Processions, [card Cloudgoat Ranger]Cloudgoats[/card] and even Bitterblossom. Once you take out the mostly useless hand disruption for Wraths and more removal, the games get even easier. These matchups are so good that we wanted the extra land, just to make sure we hit our land drops.
vs the Mirror
+4 [card Wrath of God]Wrath[/card] +2 Puppeteer Clique +1 Ajani Goldmane +1 Cloudgoat Ranger +1 Mutavault +1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
-3 Thoughtseize -4 Sculler -3 Terror
Much like the green decks, the mirror is dominated by Wraths. Puppeteer Clique punishes their Cloudgoats and Marsh Flitters, and can even stop them from attacking. Blocking a Cloudgoat is pretty unreal, and one Clique will stop their entire Cloudgoat squad by itself. Every BW player I have battled has left in Meadowgrains and Scullers, and the Wraths and Redcaps trump those really well.
vs RW Lark / Boat brew
This is tough. I was sideboarding in Wraths and P. Cliques, but this plan hasnt been working as well as I would like it. The way we beat it in Kyoto was to be aggro, so I might try this plan instead:
+2 Puppeteer Clique +1 Ajani Goldmane +1 Cloudgoat Ranger +1 Mutavault
-4 Tidehollow Sculler -1 Thoughtseize
The Wrath plan
+4 Wrath of God +2 Puppeteer Clique +1 Cloudgoat Ranger +1 Mutavault
-4 Tidehollow Sculler -3 Thoughtseize -1 Terror
This also depends on their sideboarding. If they side Wraths and Fallout, you may want to adapt accordingly (the slower plan is probably better here). I really don’t know for sure which plan is best, but I think the Wrath plan is probably the way to go. As long as you have a Puppeteer Clique to prevent their followup Reveillark, the Wrath plan works, but you can run into problems if you don’t Clique in time.
vs 5cc
+2 Puppeteer Clique (if they have Mulldrifter/Broodmate Dragon, otherwise no. If you don’t know, I usually side in 2)
+2 Scepter of Fugue +2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
-4 Tidehollow Sculler -1 Terror (gotta kill Plumeveil, might want to keep all the Terrors)
-2 Glorious Anthem
This matchup has gone from difficult to easy, and I have yet to lose to 5-cc online. Your threats are so hard for them to deal with, and you even have a fair amount of disruption. The only card I really worry about is Cruel Ultimatum, since all their mass removal can easily be powered through. Even Cruel isn’t a trump, and I have killed them the turn after Cruel a bunch of times. Scepter punishes them really well post-board, and two seems like a decent number.
Results
I even have some proof of this deck’s effectiveness, even though the monthly Champs didn’t go as well as I would have liked. My old roommate (again, Potes on the forums) qualified for the champs almost solely with this build of BW, and racked up an impressive record in the queus.
Best of all, our very own Josh Utter-Leyton (wrapter on MODO) just 9-0ed the swiss in the Modo Champs event, the report of which you can read here tomorrow! (Potes and myself both went 3-2 unfortunately, which doesn’t quite do it)
This deck is pretty exciting, and of course will benefit a little bit from Alara Reborn. Before I go, I’ll mention the two that catch my eye.
This just blows the mirror wide open, and should be insane in other matchups that involve tokens. Not quite maindeck worthy, I would imagine three or four of these will be a staple in sideboards.
Like I said in my Esper review, this card seems pretty good in BW Tokens. It also solves the Lark problem pretty well, although it might be too slow for RW. Identity Crisis into Wrath seems awesome, even though you have to take some beats to get to that position.
Let me know how BW fares for you, and remember to check out Josh’s report tomorrow!
LSV
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KillerB says: May 4, 2009 @ 12:59 am
This seems like the prefect deck to finally abuse Stilmoon Cavilier. Stillmoon seems like it should be wrecking this format, but thematically it just doesnt fit in most of the decks, but this versions of tokens seems more midrange than others before it which makes stillmoon wonky.
Just my thoughts.
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Philip torres greene says: May 4, 2009 @ 1:44 am
man those redcaps just seem insane gonna be ruff in t2, been workin on blue white and white green for a lil while, after looking at this need to reconsider this deck and how much of a threat it is still. thnx for the update luise
tedy-k says: May 4, 2009 @ 1:46 am
Your siding in the mutavault against every deck but 5cc. Whats the reasoning for not maindecking it in the first place?
TugaChampion says: May 4, 2009 @ 5:08 am
You side out Sculler against everything but faeries. Shouldn’t it be taken out? Or at least just be in the sideboard? Or the role it plays in the maindeck is too important but after your SB plan it becomes worse?
AdamT says: May 4, 2009 @ 6:42 am
I love this sb so what would you cut for 3 Persecution and 2 Crisis if you were to play them?
matt says: May 4, 2009 @ 9:03 am
I was wondering why there are no mentions of any of the new cards from Alara Reborn?
Zealous Persecution has been getting a lot of buzz everywhere, and a Ptq near me saw 3 Bw tokens decks( 2 original, 1 similar to this list). What do you think of this card in terms with other Semi(mirror) matches? If you had to build a standard(not std) build with those or other new cards(Identity Crisis)?
JRoxas says: May 4, 2009 @ 10:13 am
If you look at most of those sideboard plans, he’s cutting cheap cards like Tidehollow Sculler and Thoughtseize for cards that cost four or five. The extra land comes to help cast these cards.
Andrew says: May 4, 2009 @ 11:13 am
@tedy-k
He explained why the mutavault wasn’t maindeck. Not until the sideboard does the curve increase, therefore needing the extra mana. Pre-board it would seem just a bit too much land.
potes says: May 4, 2009 @ 11:15 am
the deck has a much lower curve g1 so the extra land isn’t as necessary. After you board in wraths and 5s you’re on a defensive plan where you both need more lands and also can’t afford to miss land drops as well.
Achen says: May 4, 2009 @ 11:23 am
He’s siding in 4′s and 5′s in most of the matchups for typically cheaper cards (anthems, scullers, etc for cloudgoat and/or puppeteer clique). Those higher costs I guess he deems worth siding in the extra land, but the maindeck has lower casting costs in general and thus doesn’t need the last land.
bue says: May 4, 2009 @ 1:28 pm
The mutavault sideboard has been addressed. As far as the reason for main deck sculler, sculler can be a very powerful card, especially when you catch your opponent off guard with it, but I assume he’s boarding sculler out because turn 2 sculler into turn 4 wog doesn’t seem ideal.
djseb says: May 4, 2009 @ 4:21 pm
Stillmoon is probably not good enough in the mirror, as persecution just seems better, and it kills stillmoon.
If the matchup against 5cc isn’t so bad anymore, maybe identity crisis isn’t really needed?
enzo says: May 4, 2009 @ 5:31 pm
- 4 sculler in all the matchs???
why u play sculler?
enzo says: May 4, 2009 @ 5:32 pm
maybe is good only in first match?
potes says: May 4, 2009 @ 7:07 pm
they stay in against fae, come out against the aggro decks where you bring in wrath and out against the defensive decks when the game plan changes to grind.
Perplexity says: May 4, 2009 @ 7:39 pm
What should be the sideboarding against Red Deck Wins type things?
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enzo says: May 5, 2009 @ 9:32 am
Zealous Persecution is good against fae too.
Kenseiden says: May 6, 2009 @ 7:54 am
LSV what were your matchups?
Punisher[BR] says: May 12, 2009 @ 10:54 am
LSV, you are great (and my english is terrible). I will test de ‘BW Persist’. Thanks for all. You are the best! Bw tokens FTW =)
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Punisher[BR] says: May 16, 2009 @ 2:57 pm
LSV, how i do with de kithkins velocity? i won today, because the 3 wraths on my hand, whatevere, i lost easily.
what you do with velocity kithkins with bw persist?
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